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i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid leaders after sharpville, when they decided non-violence was not enough, they have been so committed to nonviolence, even in the face of incredible brutality, they needed some sort of military response as well. never ended up being the khai part of their response to apartheid, but they made that hard decision. how international were those discussions about the importance of non-violence and whether or not it was enough to overthrow governments and to change the world? >> here in america and around the world, there was ongoing discussion about
i said no, mr. mandela, you inspire us. so there was this unbelievable relationship between what was happening in america and what would happen in south africa. we would say from time to time the struggle in birmingham, the struggle in selma is inaccept raable from the struggle in sharpville. >> one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you today congressman was reading about and thinking about and trying to understand the importance of those decisions made by mandela and other apartheid...
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but mr. mandela held on this summer. by the time of his 95th birthday on july 18th, with crowds gathered outside his hotel room to sing to him, to celebrate his life, mr. mandela was described by then as responding to treatment and his doctors said he was steadily improving. by august, mr. mandela was breathing normally. and although he was still battling the lung infection that had hospitalized him in the first place, in august, he was -- excuse me, on the first of september, he was discharged from the hospital, so that he can continue to receive intensive care at home, in johannesburg. after he died at his home today in johannesburg, his home there is where south africans have gathered tonight to pay their respects. joining us now is nbc news africa correspondent, rohit, thank you very much for being with us. what can you tell us just about the scene where you are and the reaction there? >> reporter: well, rachel, a quite extraordinary picture behind us. it's 4:00 a.m. in the morning here in south africa and we have a
but mr. mandela held on this summer. by the time of his 95th birthday on july 18th, with crowds gathered outside his hotel room to sing to him, to celebrate his life, mr. mandela was described by then as responding to treatment and his doctors said he was steadily improving. by august, mr. mandela was breathing normally. and although he was still battling the lung infection that had hospitalized him in the first place, in august, he was -- excuse me, on the first of september, he was discharged...
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mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like robinson and roger wilkins and holmes-norton. they laid the groundwork for his freedom. he always suppressed appreciation. >> may i ask you the last time you met with him and when you left if you got a sense that it would be the last time. >> it was difficult for him to hear at that time. he came to have a meeting. we took pictures together. we laughed. and i asked him about the farm where he finally was captured. and he said something interesting. he changed gears. he said, you know, that was the place i was captured. not full of regrets. and i didn't understand that. he said he became the comm
mr. mandela became a living martyr. so he had the power beyond that. mr. gandhi was killed. dr. king was killed. he survived years beyond his imprisonment and became this huge global moral authority. and against the odds of being considered a terrorist. to go from considered a terrorist to moral authority, the most in the world world, i think about how long the world kept mr. mandela on the terrorist list, until july 2008. that's a source of shame to us. leadership led by the people like...
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there is just a huge outpouring for mr. mandela and literally the world wants to be here. millions more will be watching on television around the world, social media will be swamped and perhaps overwhelmed by remembrances of mr. mandela, just a singular event that's going to take place here in south africa honoring the life of nelson mandela. >> it's a good opportunity to remind everybody what he did. i remember watching this weekend all the coverage in terms of teaching them what happened. ron allen, we appreciate it. >>> more people are signing up for obama care, but does that mean the website and the pr push are actually working? coming up, i'll speak with connecticut congressman rosa delauro. >>> also ahead, we've all complained about airport layovers but this one takes the cake. how did a man end up locked inside a dark, empty plane long after it landed? we'll explain. ♪ ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. if every u.s. home replaced one light bulb with a compact fluorescent bulb, the energy saved could ligh
there is just a huge outpouring for mr. mandela and literally the world wants to be here. millions more will be watching on television around the world, social media will be swamped and perhaps overwhelmed by remembrances of mr. mandela, just a singular event that's going to take place here in south africa honoring the life of nelson mandela. >> it's a good opportunity to remind everybody what he did. i remember watching this weekend all the coverage in terms of teaching them what...
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it's been more street party than anything else celebrating the life of mr. mandela. obviously there's also some grief and mourning but most people are trying to focus on the positive, the legacy and the tremendous achievement of mr. mandela and this country during his life. also you have to remember that all these events are taking place over a week. there's the memorial service tomorrow and then for the next three days after that, mandela's body will lie in state at the union builds, the seat of government in pretoria and the body will make a procession from the military hospital to that place each day so there will be people trying to line that route and see what's happening as well to visit the body and pay their respects. and finally the funeral in a distant part of the country where mr. mandela is from, so many events over many days and a lot of emotion overall that. >> ron, thank you. checking the news feed this morning, that massive winter storm that stretched from texas to the northeast is making for a messy and dangerous monday commute. a winter storm warnin
it's been more street party than anything else celebrating the life of mr. mandela. obviously there's also some grief and mourning but most people are trying to focus on the positive, the legacy and the tremendous achievement of mr. mandela and this country during his life. also you have to remember that all these events are taking place over a week. there's the memorial service tomorrow and then for the next three days after that, mandela's body will lie in state at the union builds, the seat...
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president obama met mandela only once while he was a senator in 2005. as president mr. obama travelled to see the cell where mandela was held for nearly two decades. he described his relationship to the man he and many others affectionately called madiba. >> he is a personal hero and i don't think i am u meek in that regard. he's a hero for the world. >> back this south africa, the mood is part sadness, but part celebration. crowds gathered to remember nelson mandela who changed the world by committing his to the freedom of the south african people. >> i have nothing but deep gratitude they have given to me as an individual and let me state this. they were able to achieve anything, i know that this is because i am the servant of the people of south africa. >> it has been more than two decades since nelson mandela walked out of prison, but for those who lived through it, it seemed to be a piece of a larger puzzle. consider when mandela was freed, we were less than a year removed from china's tianamen square. the berlin wall came down the previous november. it was a fleet
president obama met mandela only once while he was a senator in 2005. as president mr. obama travelled to see the cell where mandela was held for nearly two decades. he described his relationship to the man he and many others affectionately called madiba. >> he is a personal hero and i don't think i am u meek in that regard. he's a hero for the world. >> back this south africa, the mood is part sadness, but part celebration. crowds gathered to remember nelson mandela who changed the...
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mr. mandela was an icon, a living -- in jail for 27 years. and 24 more years beyond, a living martyr for 51 years. longer than dr. king lived. the doctor king movement against apartheid here laid the predicate for apartheid. we raised money for that movement in south africa. we got the black caucus led by maxine waters. the u.s. and britain were partners in the south african regime. as a nation, we chose apartheid in the name of being anti communist over the freedom of the people. and somehow the movement here, the civil rights movement in our country deserves much credit for the change we now see in america, and in south africa. >> well, and reverend, to that point, that's why it is so interesting -- i think, and potentially enlightening, to see some of the political debate playing out more among republicans. but take a listen to more from former speaker newt gingrich, in doing what rick hertzburg was doing, embracing as a founding father in politics, one of the best things you could say about someone. take a listen. >> posted my statement o
mr. mandela was an icon, a living -- in jail for 27 years. and 24 more years beyond, a living martyr for 51 years. longer than dr. king lived. the doctor king movement against apartheid here laid the predicate for apartheid. we raised money for that movement in south africa. we got the black caucus led by maxine waters. the u.s. and britain were partners in the south african regime. as a nation, we chose apartheid in the name of being anti communist over the freedom of the people. and somehow...
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mandela. mr. obama often noted privately and publicly that his sacrifices would never compare to mr. mandela's. aide to mr. obama said he was uncomfortable when people drew parallels between them as often as they did. this is from "the new york time times", not "the washington post." i apologize. how fair are those comparisons? they are inevitable and now we're going to continue to read and hear more about them over the next few days and weeks. how fair are they? >> it depends on which mr. mandela you're talking about. >> and which mr. obama you're talking about. >> one of the things that we talk about is mr. mandela as a tremendous humanitarian leader and so on. and he really was. but he was also a politician. and he also had to hold together a coalition, find the way to steer his country forward as the first black representative in that democratically elected government. in that way, they do have a great deal in common. you do see a very nervous and frightened group of white south africans wonde
mandela. mr. obama often noted privately and publicly that his sacrifices would never compare to mr. mandela's. aide to mr. obama said he was uncomfortable when people drew parallels between them as often as they did. this is from "the new york time times", not "the washington post." i apologize. how fair are those comparisons? they are inevitable and now we're going to continue to read and hear more about them over the next few days and weeks. how fair are they? >> it...
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then mr. mandela i'd like you to meet the congressman from california. he does this double take and hit me with a moment i will never forget. we have heard much from you. you gave us hope. you kept us alive. he hugged me and i broke down and cried. >> congresswoman waters can you remember what he said? >> we had been working to break down apartheid, there when it was lifted anc was thought of as terrorist organization. i met others, on and on and on but i really wanted to meet nelson mandela, didn't get a chance to do it until he came to los angeles. as you know we organized another huge event to welcome him to this country. we filled up the coliseum, lit candles. all of the movie stars in hollywood showed up. all of the community showed up all over southern california. when he walked out on stage with winnie mandela, the crowd exploded. i met him when i first got off the airplane. i was had with the then mayor tom bradley. of course, when i looked at him and he was such a pleasant man, he had a smile on his face. he embraced me. he embraced the mayor. w
then mr. mandela i'd like you to meet the congressman from california. he does this double take and hit me with a moment i will never forget. we have heard much from you. you gave us hope. you kept us alive. he hugged me and i broke down and cried. >> congresswoman waters can you remember what he said? >> we had been working to break down apartheid, there when it was lifted anc was thought of as terrorist organization. i met others, on and on and on but i really wanted to meet...
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it was the site of nelson mandela's first speech after his release from prison. mr. mandela's body will lie in state. his body will lie there in state for three days of public viewing. and then his body will travel home. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the elder, bush the younger will all travel to south africa to pay their respects, to the extent that their health allows it. >>> the scale and burial is expected to match those of pope john paul and winston churchill and people of that magnitude. when dan rather said he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 20th semplg century, that's how viewed. >>> as the details of the arrangements for the next few days emerge, we will bring them to you right here. that does it for us. thank you for being with us. . >>> the world reacts to the loss of a global icon as news spreads of nelson mandela's death. >> we've lost one of the most influential, courageous and profoundly good human beings that any of us will share time with on this earth. he no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >>
it was the site of nelson mandela's first speech after his release from prison. mr. mandela's body will lie in state. his body will lie there in state for three days of public viewing. and then his body will travel home. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the elder, bush the younger will all travel to south africa to pay their respects, to the extent that their health allows it. >>> the scale and burial is expected to match those of pope john paul and winston churchill and people...
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in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a terrorist group. they took the risk politically here to fight to create that day that we consider triumphant. i don't think we should whitewash or sugarcoat the development of where handlea ended up being recorded by great in this country. >> that was an exceptional time in the world. when mandela was released in '90, gorbachev bringing down the soviet union and czechoslavkia and poland and china gave some economic freedom. historians will be writing of that year '89 and '90 great men coming on the world stage and changing oppression that had existed for so long. >> representative waters, you were
in immediately said to him, mr. mandela, you have to know that's microphone not a weapon. he said when i first saw it i thought it was a shotgun. we both laughed and a picture was taken. >> we saw that moment earlier in the broadcast. >> i think it's important we understand the context of mandela's release was in a global movement. you have maxine waters, harry bellafonte, people that created this movement of die vestment that set the climate who were ostracized for supporting a...
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mandela's body will lie in state at the union building and on sunday next week, the state funeral, the official funeral in his homeland homeland, very remote part of the country but where he wanted to be buried so, again, an emotional week, a long good-bye, a lot of mourning, but also a time to celebrate this life. >> ron allen for us, thank you. >>> we move to washington where a budget deal finally sounds imminent, "the washington post" reporting the finishing touches under way with a sealed deal expected on capitol hill. the first successful budget, of course, since 2011 but it amounts to little more than a cease-fire according to "the post" because the deal would not significantly reduce the $17.3 trillion in debt. it wouldn't close corporate tax loopholes. it wouldn't fully replace sequester cuts. in essence it appears it would just avoid another debt crisis on capitol hill. >>> a rare trip to pakistan for chuck hagel. it is the first trip there for a pentagon chief in three years. his meetings with pakistan's prime minister over tensions with drone strikes and hopes to repair the
mandela's body will lie in state at the union building and on sunday next week, the state funeral, the official funeral in his homeland homeland, very remote part of the country but where he wanted to be buried so, again, an emotional week, a long good-bye, a lot of mourning, but also a time to celebrate this life. >> ron allen for us, thank you. >>> we move to washington where a budget deal finally sounds imminent, "the washington post" reporting the finishing touches...
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congresswoman lee removed him from the list in 2008 a month before mr. mandela turned 90. live in oak labd, stephanie chuang, nbc bay area news. >> thank you. >>> willie brown, former mayor of san francisco met mandela at the rally in oakland and his meeting with mandela is a treasured memory. brown says this photo of the meeting is one of his favorites. >> mr. mandela inspired me as i suspect he has inspired many people to do what you think is the right thing to do. maybe not political, because i don't think nelson mandela was ever really political. >> and before being mayor of san francisco, brown spent 30 years in the assembly and was speaker in 1986. that is when california became the largest government in the united states to devest from south african investments because of apartheid. the state pension and university fund sold more than $11 billion worth of securities as a result. >>> none of this was easy. mandela's activism took him from life in prison to leader of his nation. in 1944, he was 26 years old when he co-founded african national congress. after a 1960 ma
congresswoman lee removed him from the list in 2008 a month before mr. mandela turned 90. live in oak labd, stephanie chuang, nbc bay area news. >> thank you. >>> willie brown, former mayor of san francisco met mandela at the rally in oakland and his meeting with mandela is a treasured memory. brown says this photo of the meeting is one of his favorites. >> mr. mandela inspired me as i suspect he has inspired many people to do what you think is the right thing to do. maybe...
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mr. mandela was tired, and he was wearing an overcoat. first, he insisted on working the room in south africa house and speaking to everyone there. and then he went outside and enthralled the young, if rather soaked, audience who had been listening to the music. at that point, his minders were pretty keen to move him along and get him to his bed, which he clearly needed. but no -- the coat came off and he came back up the stairs in south africa house and worked the room again. we came face to face for a second time. he looked at me and said, "we talked earlier", and i said, "yes we did, mr mandela, it was an honor to meet you and we a very nice chat." "oh good," he said, "i will move on, but i did not want you to think i had been rude." that is the difference, is it not? that was a man who, when he needed votes, could weigh them in quantities that we practicing politicians can only dream of, yet when he was beyond the need for votes he still conducted himself with that extra special magic ingredient that separated him out, like the wheat
mr. mandela was tired, and he was wearing an overcoat. first, he insisted on working the room in south africa house and speaking to everyone there. and then he went outside and enthralled the young, if rather soaked, audience who had been listening to the music. at that point, his minders were pretty keen to move him along and get him to his bed, which he clearly needed. but no -- the coat came off and he came back up the stairs in south africa house and worked the room again. we came face to...
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mr. mandela spent 27 years in prison after being convicted of treason. by negotiating with captors after his release in 1990, mandela led the african national congress long a banned liberation movement to an lek to recall victory in 1994, first fully democratic election in that country's history. the new york times goes on, mandela served one term as the president and had not been seen in public since the year 2010 when the nation hosted the world cup soccer tournament. decades in prison and insist ens on forgiveness made him a potent symbol of the struggle to end the country's domination and power of peaceful resolution in even the conflicts. we are joined now on the live line, mrs. smith. a difficult day, one we had been informed would be coming. that doesn't make it easier. >> i think south africans are pleased. [ inaudible ] he was a healthy man the most of his life. the last year was painful for him. >> we've clearly lost the connection with mrs. smith her authorized biographer. she was speaking on a cellphone. we hope she'll bring a connection back
mr. mandela spent 27 years in prison after being convicted of treason. by negotiating with captors after his release in 1990, mandela led the african national congress long a banned liberation movement to an lek to recall victory in 1994, first fully democratic election in that country's history. the new york times goes on, mandela served one term as the president and had not been seen in public since the year 2010 when the nation hosted the world cup soccer tournament. decades in prison and...
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this is not unexpected given mr. mandela's house. we might ask now how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: richard, news of nelson mandela's death was announced just before midnight. so inevitably still today many of south africans are still learning the news that the father of this nation passed away during the evening. here his suburban home in johannesburg many hundreds of people have come. the mood here is not somber at all, though. there have been very few people here in tears. people have come to celebrate his life and the lives that they've been able to achieve and to live as a result of his sacrifice. people here also wondering precisely what happens next, and we're awaiting details in the next few hours about a lying in state and about nelson mandela's burial, which once diplomats are saying that the plan resembled the biggest state funeral for any former leader south of winston churchill. >> thank you. rohi for us in south africa. now to nbc's brian williams with a look at mandela's incredible life and unwavering spirit. >> to deny any person human rights is the chal
this is not unexpected given mr. mandela's house. we might ask now how are south africans reacting? >> reporter: richard, news of nelson mandela's death was announced just before midnight. so inevitably still today many of south africans are still learning the news that the father of this nation passed away during the evening. here his suburban home in johannesburg many hundreds of people have come. the mood here is not somber at all, though. there have been very few people here in tears....
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mr. mandela had the same operation while he was in prison. and when i woke up on labor day 1998, here the president was next to my hospital bed. he took my hand, and he said to me, i have come to see how you are. but your doctors say you are okay. i'm so glad, he said. i went through the same ordeal. now, get better. we still need each other. >> reporter: for all the human side of mandela, it's his superhuman qualities that dazzle even botha. especially recalling what mandela did with all that time in jail. >> he has the capacity to spend 27 years in prison, come out of that prison, and lead a country governed by whites since the first settlers landed here in 1652. in such a way that he was adored by all of the people in this country, ir respectable of the color of their skin. he has that capacity in him, and he never boasted. he remained a humble, very, very humble human being. >> reporter: impressive to botha was mandela's willingness to forgive and work with adversaries. mandela made botha a minister in south africa's first multiracial gov
mr. mandela had the same operation while he was in prison. and when i woke up on labor day 1998, here the president was next to my hospital bed. he took my hand, and he said to me, i have come to see how you are. but your doctors say you are okay. i'm so glad, he said. i went through the same ordeal. now, get better. we still need each other. >> reporter: for all the human side of mandela, it's his superhuman qualities that dazzle even botha. especially recalling what mandela did with all...
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tutu said mr. reagan would be judged harshly by history. >> he has been and so has members of his party who sided with the apartheid regime. 21 republicans voted against that bill in the senate. 79 republicans against that bill in the house. including dick cheney. in fact, then-congressman cheney voted against sanctions for south africa at least ten times. during the '80s. but even years later he said he had no regrets. when cheney was running for vice president in 2000, he justified those votes by saying, quote, the african national congress was then viewed as a terrorist organization. i don't have any problems at all with the vote i cast 20 years ago. back then republicans like dick cheney and ronald reagan were on the wrong side of history and on issue after issue today. immigration, gay rights, health care, inequality. republicans are on the wrong side of history once again. joining me now is karen finney. thanks for being here tonight. >> good to be with you. >> karen, this isn't ancient histo
tutu said mr. reagan would be judged harshly by history. >> he has been and so has members of his party who sided with the apartheid regime. 21 republicans voted against that bill in the senate. 79 republicans against that bill in the house. including dick cheney. in fact, then-congressman cheney voted against sanctions for south africa at least ten times. during the '80s. but even years later he said he had no regrets. when cheney was running for vice president in 2000, he justified...
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>> reporter: it's a bit loud here on the street outside of mr. mandela's home. people singing songs and chants from the movement mr. mandela lead here decades ago. all day long here, a steady stream of humanity, as people have shown up, sometimes entire families. here, we show their last respect to the man this entire nation so adored. as the world mourns the death of nelson mandela through song, dance and tears, details about his grand state funeral are coming out. >> we should all work together to organize the most befitting funeral. >> reporter: beginning tomorrow with a national day of prayer and reflection, for south africa. with an official service on tuesday in johannesburg, where thousands are expected to gather at the fnb stadium, the same stadium where mandela made his last public appearance during the 2010 world cup. the services are expected to be the largest in generations, with prominent leaders and dignitaries from across the globe attending, including president obama and the first lady, who travel to south africa next week, to pay respects, bring
>> reporter: it's a bit loud here on the street outside of mr. mandela's home. people singing songs and chants from the movement mr. mandela lead here decades ago. all day long here, a steady stream of humanity, as people have shown up, sometimes entire families. here, we show their last respect to the man this entire nation so adored. as the world mourns the death of nelson mandela through song, dance and tears, details about his grand state funeral are coming out. >> we should all...
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during his visit to boston 23 years ago, i met mr. mandela ever so briefly. there was time for one question, mr. mandela, i asked, what's the one thing in life you know for sure? with that elegant smile he answered, good and evil are always at war. good men must choose. with defiance and dignity and equal measure nelson mandela chose and america loved him for it. byron pitts, abc news, new york. >> amazing seeing those shots. a man in some respects is on this mt. olympus of great human beings was so human and everybody who met him said the same thing. the shot of him wearing a yankees' hat is so great. i'm a mets fan. i will forgive him for that but so human mr. he tries to connect with people. he said i have discovered the secret. i have walked this long walk to freedom and i'm not perfect. i have made a lot of mistakes but he said i discovered for every hill you climb there are more hills to climb. in all that he achieved he knew because south africa wasn't where he wanted it to be there was more to achieve in his lifetime. >> where do you start with all of
during his visit to boston 23 years ago, i met mr. mandela ever so briefly. there was time for one question, mr. mandela, i asked, what's the one thing in life you know for sure? with that elegant smile he answered, good and evil are always at war. good men must choose. with defiance and dignity and equal measure nelson mandela chose and america loved him for it. byron pitts, abc news, new york. >> amazing seeing those shots. a man in some respects is on this mt. olympus of great human...
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. >> there's mr. mandela, mr. nelson mandela. a free man taking his first steps into south africa. >> we have seen our political emancipation. liberate all of our people from the continues holds of poverty and other discrimination. never, never, and never again that this beautiful land will obtain the spirit, the oppression of one by another, can suffer the indignity to things to come of this world. >>> i have said it, the idea of a democratic and peaceful -- in which all people live together in harmony and with equal opportunity. this is an ideal which i hope to live for. and to go and see what, if need be, it is an ideal for which i am prepared to die. >> in the final years of mandela's life, private plans were being made between the government and military and his family as they were preparing for a fitting farewell for a man of his greatness. thousands, detailed accounts of his first ten days. i should say thousands are going to congregate, to get together to commemorate this great man. it's going to take ten days. it's a ver
. >> there's mr. mandela, mr. nelson mandela. a free man taking his first steps into south africa. >> we have seen our political emancipation. liberate all of our people from the continues holds of poverty and other discrimination. never, never, and never again that this beautiful land will obtain the spirit, the oppression of one by another, can suffer the indignity to things to come of this world. >>> i have said it, the idea of a democratic and peaceful -- in which all...
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. >> we see just in the live shot from there, people are celebrating mr. mandela's life and the impact that he made on all of us, but you're looking at the sheer number of people. there's no reason for us to expect there would be any violence, keeping the area secure with 95,000 people half the world leaders in this open air stadium is an incredible sikt as ron pointed out. >> it's an extremely complex undertaking. close to 100 heads of state and government attending and each of those leaders comes a delegat n delegation -- as he alluded to with regards to the stadium, obviously, security concerns that the south african and other security officials will be forced to deal with. >> politico is reporting shortly after the announcement on thursday that nelson mandela passed away, secret service and american military personnel were en route to prepare for president obama's arrival here. what would you compare this to in events that you worked on? the first thing for me that came in mind watching the pope in south america earlier this year, wherefore whatever re
. >> we see just in the live shot from there, people are celebrating mr. mandela's life and the impact that he made on all of us, but you're looking at the sheer number of people. there's no reason for us to expect there would be any violence, keeping the area secure with 95,000 people half the world leaders in this open air stadium is an incredible sikt as ron pointed out. >> it's an extremely complex undertaking. close to 100 heads of state and government attending and each of...
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in the mind of mandela and bishop tutu, it was the wish. from outside and on the side of mr. mandela. that to continue our -- and echo them, would mean the destruction of this. it would mean to a civil war that no one would wish to go. >> as botha recalls, mandela's message of peace following years of action against apartheid, he made his famous speech that would lead to his imprisonment. >> he said that i have fought against one domination. and i have fought against black domination. i have cherished the idea of democratic and free society. all lift together and with equal opportunities. and then he concludes by saying this is the idea, i have to live for and to achieve. but it needs to be, it is an ideal for what i'm prepared to die. >> mandela was an icon, but he had a very human side, too, as botha would find out when he reached out to mandela during his presidential years. >> the second -- i think in march 1996 and got a message that he felt extremely lonely. so i phoned and he answered the phone. not the secretary. and i then conveyed my condolences and we -- to absorb
in the mind of mandela and bishop tutu, it was the wish. from outside and on the side of mr. mandela. that to continue our -- and echo them, would mean the destruction of this. it would mean to a civil war that no one would wish to go. >> as botha recalls, mandela's message of peace following years of action against apartheid, he made his famous speech that would lead to his imprisonment. >> he said that i have fought against one domination. and i have fought against black...
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that there was no way i was going to get close to mr. mandela, so i decided to stay outside with the fellow citizens in downtown l.a. who had come to cheer and celebrate the rarest of human beings. i have always regarded dr. king as the greatest american this country has produced, but dr. king was dead long before i was out of diapers. here was a freedom fighter that represents the closest thing to kings correct i would ever meet. i was stuck outside pouting until someone yelled to me the mayor was asking for me. backecret service let me inside city hall, and i moved or the hallways, now filled with mandela's entourage, to see what the mayor needed. all the time i am looking for a glimpse myself. .he mayor wished us to meet mandela wanted to personally greet mohammed ali and sidney poitier before he went to speak at the rally. my job as a young aide was to go outside and escort ali and poitier back into the mayor's office. my heart accelerated so fast i immediately ran outside and i hadd ali and what ea as been told. when i open the secu
that there was no way i was going to get close to mr. mandela, so i decided to stay outside with the fellow citizens in downtown l.a. who had come to cheer and celebrate the rarest of human beings. i have always regarded dr. king as the greatest american this country has produced, but dr. king was dead long before i was out of diapers. here was a freedom fighter that represents the closest thing to kings correct i would ever meet. i was stuck outside pouting until someone yelled to me the mayor...
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the cell of mr. nelson mandela. >> reporter: and into the tiny cells. this is where mandela spent almost two decades. a cold stone cubicle. no plumbing. a thin mat for sleeping. hard labor in the prison rock quarry. a hard life day in and day out. ahmed muhammed cusrata was a fellow political prisoner but now a retired member of parliament. one of mandela's closest friends. >> we were sentenced to life in imprisonment, and we knew that for political prisoners, life meant life. >> reporter: but he said mandela never asked for special treatment. in fact, he refused it. >> he could have been exempted from work at the quarry. he refused. 1977, 13 years after we were in prison, he was offered release. he refused. >> reporter: over the years in prison, mandela developed a unique friendship with this man. one of his guards, crito brand. >> i don't know at all who mandela was when i started at robben island. >> reporter: a warm friendship began to develop and one day brand broke all the rules for madiba as mandela was called by his friends. mandela's wife winni
the cell of mr. nelson mandela. >> reporter: and into the tiny cells. this is where mandela spent almost two decades. a cold stone cubicle. no plumbing. a thin mat for sleeping. hard labor in the prison rock quarry. a hard life day in and day out. ahmed muhammed cusrata was a fellow political prisoner but now a retired member of parliament. one of mandela's closest friends. >> we were sentenced to life in imprisonment, and we knew that for political prisoners, life meant life....
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. >> and one wonders what must be passing through mr. mandela's mind at this moment. >> after 27 years in prison, nelson mandela walked into freedom. against all odds, the leader of a rebellion became the leader of national unity. mandela's decade-long rebellion turned him into a freedom fighter, an international hero. >> i fought against white domination. i have fought for every family. >> mandela was born into a privileged family. he supported nonviolence. he became a lawyer and opened the first african law firm. in 1960, mandela turned militant. >> there are many people who feel that it is useless for us to continue talking nonviolence. >> mandela loved up to his name, troublemaker, repeatedly challenging authority. he was convicted of sabotage and conspiracy to overthrow the government and sentence to life in prison. he was cut off from the outside world, but mandela's message and movement endured. his wife became his unofficial ambassador. finally, in 1990, nelson mandela was freed. >> mandela became south africa's first black presi
. >> and one wonders what must be passing through mr. mandela's mind at this moment. >> after 27 years in prison, nelson mandela walked into freedom. against all odds, the leader of a rebellion became the leader of national unity. mandela's decade-long rebellion turned him into a freedom fighter, an international hero. >> i fought against white domination. i have fought for every family. >> mandela was born into a privileged family. he supported nonviolence. he became a...
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mr. mandela ought to be released that we're bringing a bigger martyr of him every day he stays in prison, and that his international aclaim and status would be growing to an extent that we would not be able to hand it will any more. unfortunately, it continued on. >> here we have a man 27 years in prison. the day he was released he displayed the acumen and attitude of an american who has been a president before. amazing. amazing what insight he had into the minds of people. and for that matter into world affairs. >> and central to the success of the negotiation process that led to a peaceful transfer of power was mandela's insistence that there need be no losers. that all could read. >> we handed over power. but we were not capitulating. you do not capitulate and surrender when you do the right thing. you liberate yourself. that's what we did. it was not a capitulation. it was liberation. >> reporter: and the what month says he was liberated quotes from a statement that nelson mandela mad
mr. mandela ought to be released that we're bringing a bigger martyr of him every day he stays in prison, and that his international aclaim and status would be growing to an extent that we would not be able to hand it will any more. unfortunately, it continued on. >> here we have a man 27 years in prison. the day he was released he displayed the acumen and attitude of an american who has been a president before. amazing. amazing what insight he had into the minds of people. and for that...
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mr. mandela, became a symbol of hope around. world for his life long struggle against the apartheid system of racial segregation in his country. he spent 27 years in prison for defying that system. after his release he sought not revenge but reconciliation. mr. mandela went on to push for one of the most progressive constitutions on planet and became south africa's first democrat exly elected black president. he chronicled end of apartheid and mandela's election and serving as african correspondent for the bbc. tom, thanks for joining us today with your thoughts. and what were they when you first got the news that mandela pass ad way? >> i had a lot of emotions both at a personal level and a professional one. i had the same feelings that everyone had, this was absolute titan of the global stage whose like we'll probably never see in our lifetimes again. these sort of men only only come around everyone hundred years or some i have memories when i met him during the time i was in south africa, particularly of his personal warmth a
mr. mandela, became a symbol of hope around. world for his life long struggle against the apartheid system of racial segregation in his country. he spent 27 years in prison for defying that system. after his release he sought not revenge but reconciliation. mr. mandela went on to push for one of the most progressive constitutions on planet and became south africa's first democrat exly elected black president. he chronicled end of apartheid and mandela's election and serving as african...
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then mandela's body will lie in state for three days before his burial. >> mr. mandela is also being remembered in the bay area. kpix5 shows us the celebration of mandela's life and legacy at a bay area church. >> reporter: when san francisco's glide memorial church remembered nelson mandela at their morning services the only thing missing was sadness. the mood was joyful as a children's choir honored the passing of the man being called the father of a nation. >> it's bigger than that. i mean, nelson mandela touched all of our lives regardless of where we were in the world. >> pastor williams met mandela twice, the first time at his celebrated appearance in oakland in 1990. williams says mandela's power came from his ability to rise above the outrage of his imprisonment, to become an irresistible force for peaceful change in the tradition of ghandi and dr. martin luther king jr.. >> being in prison for 27 years, you hear me? 27 years and then walking out of that prison as a new person completely. there's no doubt about it, he liberated the world in many ways. >>
then mandela's body will lie in state for three days before his burial. >> mr. mandela is also being remembered in the bay area. kpix5 shows us the celebration of mandela's life and legacy at a bay area church. >> reporter: when san francisco's glide memorial church remembered nelson mandela at their morning services the only thing missing was sadness. the mood was joyful as a children's choir honored the passing of the man being called the father of a nation. >> it's bigger...
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some other world leaders who plan to attend for mr. mandela are the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon, david cameron, prince charles is going. the french president, francois hollande and even the cuban president, as we said he had ties with cuba in the past, raul castro, list goes on and on of dignitaries. >> of course, with president obama and three of his predecessors going to south africa, you can imagine what robin was talking about, and that is security and the kind of complex situation they're dealing with potentially a nightmare. secret service had very little time to prepare for the trip. athena jones is joining us at the white house. we're very much aware of what it takes. there's not a lot of advance work when you have the limited amount of time. air force one expected to touch down what, early tomorrow morning? >> early tomorrow morning. i think about 1:00 a.m., they'll be making a fuel stop on the way. bottom line, these are the kinds of trips that take weeks and months to prepare. this was compressed into a very short time line. the spokesman
some other world leaders who plan to attend for mr. mandela are the u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon, david cameron, prince charles is going. the french president, francois hollande and even the cuban president, as we said he had ties with cuba in the past, raul castro, list goes on and on of dignitaries. >> of course, with president obama and three of his predecessors going to south africa, you can imagine what robin was talking about, and that is security and the kind of complex...
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mr. lawyer and our colleagues for being here. do now ise going to turn to questions. in order to accommodate all the members here, we will try to take three questions at a time and members will be called on in order of appearance. i'm going to ask my colleagues to make i will ask my colleagues to make the questions very short and very poignant and we will get the answers that we want, because we anticipate there will be sure to want to get. with that, i will ask for questions from congresswoman ,elazquez, congresswoman lee and congressman johnson. did congresswoman lee leave? >> she left. >> ok, go ahead. congresswoman velazquez, johnson, and mr. hoyer. morning, everyone. here participating in congressional hearings, and this is the toughest one. lady.m a tough i wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone of you for your grace and your dignity. pray --pe -- father, i that those americans that have been ignored by the other side that are paying close attention to what is happening h
mr. lawyer and our colleagues for being here. do now ise going to turn to questions. in order to accommodate all the members here, we will try to take three questions at a time and members will be called on in order of appearance. i'm going to ask my colleagues to make i will ask my colleagues to make the questions very short and very poignant and we will get the answers that we want, because we anticipate there will be sure to want to get. with that, i will ask for questions from congresswoman...
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mandela. >> i was in awe of this awesome ,uman being i had worked for that i had read so much about, that i had educated others in the california legislature, that that ione to jail for, had rallied on college campuses for, and all of a sudden, when he landed, in los angeles, when we created the big welcome event for him, there he was, and i was dumbstruck. i was in all of him, and, of course, you know, there is no one else like him. >> congresswoman, someone -- the emancipation proclamation took a long time to come to fruition. we move from the civil war into the 1960's. that is our experience. there is a different south african experience. thesimilar or different is black experience in south africa, versus the united states? >> apartheid in south africa was the worst kind of oppression you could ever imagine. not only did you have people who to areas fard outside of the main cities of south africa, who lived in shanties, one water fountain that served thousands and people brown, or white, and if you fell in the black category or the brown category, you simply could not be educated,
mandela. >> i was in awe of this awesome ,uman being i had worked for that i had read so much about, that i had educated others in the california legislature, that that ione to jail for, had rallied on college campuses for, and all of a sudden, when he landed, in los angeles, when we created the big welcome event for him, there he was, and i was dumbstruck. i was in all of him, and, of course, you know, there is no one else like him. >> congresswoman, someone -- the emancipation...
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to the regina church her entire life. >> it's a special mass for mr. mandela. every time he came up from the islands, he would say peace. so that he'll be very pleased. >> reporter: during a struggle against aparthide people used to run to this church when they were trying to hide. there's still bullet holes on the windows. >> we used to run and come to this church to pray to god so that he can come and assist us because we were in trouble during that time. >> reporter: life for his 4- year-old grandson starkly different. and once the seat of the aparthide government, thanks for the man who saved them. >> presence in life meant so much for the african people. allowed them to get rid of their guilt feelings. >> i think everybody loves mandela. but true reconciliation, if it's really, i don't see it every day. >> reporter: but today mandela's death has reminded people of what he stood for and the nation they still need to work to create. >> services at san francisco's gladenn memorial church recall mandela and his long fight against aparthide. >>> joyful
to the regina church her entire life. >> it's a special mass for mr. mandela. every time he came up from the islands, he would say peace. so that he'll be very pleased. >> reporter: during a struggle against aparthide people used to run to this church when they were trying to hide. there's still bullet holes on the windows. >> we used to run and come to this church to pray to god so that he can come and assist us because we were in trouble during that time. >> reporter:...
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except mr. mandela. i find him outstanding. being terribly cool and relaxed. that's the first time i met him. again, i met mr. mandela in his office, in his law office in johannesburg in 1952 where he posed for me for a photograph in front of his desk. again, i found i had this impression of him being a very relaxed and self controlled person. >> i want to go back to the first picture we showed. i understand it is your favorite. it is of mandela in his cell on robben island in 1994. voted one of the most memorable images of the 20th century. give us insight into this moment. if you spoke with him or what he was thinking at that moment. >> it is very difficult for me to know what he was thinking. i imagine that at that time, he had spent 17 years in this cell. i asked him if he would stand against the window and look out through the bars. he did that for me. i photographed a number of pictures of him standing looking out. there was a moment of total quietness and it was a very thoughtful moment. i noticed the different frames i shot as the expressions changed f
except mr. mandela. i find him outstanding. being terribly cool and relaxed. that's the first time i met him. again, i met mr. mandela in his office, in his law office in johannesburg in 1952 where he posed for me for a photograph in front of his desk. again, i found i had this impression of him being a very relaxed and self controlled person. >> i want to go back to the first picture we showed. i understand it is your favorite. it is of mandela in his cell on robben island in 1994. voted...
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so we leave you tonight with nelson mandela and his own words. >> there is mr. nelson mandela, a free man, taking his first steps into a new south africa. that is the man who the world has been waiting to see. >> i stand here before you not as a prophet but as a humble servant. today the majority of south africans, black and white, recognize that apartheid has no future. south africa has room for everyone. i have the idea of a democratic and free society. it is an idea for which i hope to live to see. if it need be it is an ideal for which i am prepared to die. our people demanding democracy. our country which continues to plead and suffer pains needs democracy. let us stretch out our hand and to say to them we are all south africans. we have had a good fight, but now this is the time to heal the old wounds and to build a new south africa. we have never doubted in our minds our country. i am the product of africa and it is time for a rebirth that can now be realized. so that all our children may play in the sun. >> and we are so glad you were with us tonight. ab
so we leave you tonight with nelson mandela and his own words. >> there is mr. nelson mandela, a free man, taking his first steps into a new south africa. that is the man who the world has been waiting to see. >> i stand here before you not as a prophet but as a humble servant. today the majority of south africans, black and white, recognize that apartheid has no future. south africa has room for everyone. i have the idea of a democratic and free society. it is an idea for which i...
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mandela back in 1990. i want you to tell people because you were literally star struck. >> i absolutely was. i've been blessed to be around some phenomenal people, some great leaders, but there's no one like nelson mandela. so yes, the first time i was in his company was immediately after we had organized a glorious ticker tape for him parade down broadway in manhattan. we took him into city hall in new york, and had found myself alone with him in the mayor's office. and i didn't realize that i had been just staring at the man for probably ten minutes till i heard a voice say, excuse me, young man. can i trouble you for that glass of water. i realized that he had probably asked me several times for some water after being out in the heat and this long parade. i raced, got him the water and darn near spilled it all over him, i was so incredibly nervous and in awe of him. even though when you were around him, you were in awe, there was something about him that will created an accessibility, too. i never exper
mandela back in 1990. i want you to tell people because you were literally star struck. >> i absolutely was. i've been blessed to be around some phenomenal people, some great leaders, but there's no one like nelson mandela. so yes, the first time i was in his company was immediately after we had organized a glorious ticker tape for him parade down broadway in manhattan. we took him into city hall in new york, and had found myself alone with him in the mayor's office. and i didn't realize...
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time now 6:00. >>> there is mr. nelson mandela a free man taking his first steps into a new south africa. >> south africa and the world mourns the loss of a hero and an icon. nelson mandela was 95. he spent decades fighting apartheid in his native south africa. >> i'm anne makovec live in the newsroom. as the world remembers mandela, we here in the bay area remember his-historic visit to the east bay and congressional legislation and divesting in south africa. >> reporter: bundle up. it is still cold out here. i'm kiet do. we have a live report. >>> yeah, freezing temperatures again around the bay area. freeze warnings are up. what a chilly day. this is the third day in a row of freezing temperatures showing up outside. some of those numbers dropping off under clear skies this morning into the 20s and 30s. now 23 in santa rosa. 28 in concord. 39 in san francisco. and 30 degrees in livermore. so a very cold start to the day again freeze warnings until 9:00. then clouds roll in in the middle of the day. plan on highs
time now 6:00. >>> there is mr. nelson mandela a free man taking his first steps into a new south africa. >> south africa and the world mourns the loss of a hero and an icon. nelson mandela was 95. he spent decades fighting apartheid in his native south africa. >> i'm anne makovec live in the newsroom. as the world remembers mandela, we here in the bay area remember his-historic visit to the east bay and congressional legislation and divesting in south africa. >>...
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our country from the president to the mr. president, every day citizens right now our country is mourning the loss of mandela, remembering the life he lived the way he changed the world. our country in the western world wasn't always this united in viewing mandela as a hero. a part tied, apartness in the africano language, they were voted into office in south africa in then 48. they set about passing a series of impressive laws of racial segregation. they western considered citizens. in 1960 when drarts went to the police station in the black town of sharpville and redanded to be arrested, they were protesting the node to have them in the first place. in response to that small act of rebellion, south african police officers opened fire on the crowd and scene people were killed that day. the young liberation leader named nelson mandela said it was that moment that radicalized him in the fight against apartheid, to beat the anc, it wouldn't be long before he was arrested and convicted of treason and sent away to prison for life
our country from the president to the mr. president, every day citizens right now our country is mourning the loss of mandela, remembering the life he lived the way he changed the world. our country in the western world wasn't always this united in viewing mandela as a hero. a part tied, apartness in the africano language, they were voted into office in south africa in then 48. they set about passing a series of impressive laws of racial segregation. they western considered citizens. in 1960...
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the last black president of south africa called mr. mandela a great man with great integrity. >> i think his greatest legacy to south africa and to the world is the emphasis in which he has always put on the need for reconciliation. >> reporter: the white house says president and mrs. obama as long w-z former president george w. bush and bill clinton plan to attend the memorial event. >>> stpraáp announced their own memorial for nelson mandela. it'll be held in the rotunda and former mayor brown will attend. >>> san francisco animal control today arrested a man suspected of drowning two cat that is belonged to a homeless woman. animal control officers say they arrested lee roy patterson on drum street after a struggle. police say patterson confronted the homeless work last month on pier 15. he threw her belongings right into the bay including her two cats. patterson is now facing two counts of felony animal cruelty and if convicted he could get -p up -- could get up to two years in jail. >>> continuing coverage of the unseasonably col
the last black president of south africa called mr. mandela a great man with great integrity. >> i think his greatest legacy to south africa and to the world is the emphasis in which he has always put on the need for reconciliation. >> reporter: the white house says president and mrs. obama as long w-z former president george w. bush and bill clinton plan to attend the memorial event. >>> stpraáp announced their own memorial for nelson mandela. it'll be held in the rotunda...
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the last black president of south africa called mr. mandela a great man with great integrity. >> i think his greatest legacy to south africa and to the world is the emphasis in which he has always put on the need for reconciliation. >> reporter: the white house says president and mrs. obama as long w-z former president george w. bush and bill clinton plan to attend the memorial event. >>> stpraáp announced their own memorial for nelson mandela. it'll be held in the rotunda and former mayor brown will attend. >>> san francisco animal control today arrested a man suspected of drowning two cat that is belonged to a homeless woman. animal control officers say they arrested lee roy patterson on drum street after a struggle. police say patterson confronted the homeless work last month on pier 15. he threw her belongings right into the bay including her two cats. patterson is now facing two counts of felony animal cruelty and if convicted he could get -p up -- could get up to two years in jail. >>> continuing coverage of the unseasonably col
the last black president of south africa called mr. mandela a great man with great integrity. >> i think his greatest legacy to south africa and to the world is the emphasis in which he has always put on the need for reconciliation. >> reporter: the white house says president and mrs. obama as long w-z former president george w. bush and bill clinton plan to attend the memorial event. >>> stpraáp announced their own memorial for nelson mandela. it'll be held in the rotunda...
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for that, as always, mr. ron claiborne. >> in the news, dignitaries around the world will be arriving in south africa next week for a memorial service on tuesday for nelson mandela. a private burial in qunu is set up for next sunday. >>> and the 85-year-old veteran in north korea for a month, is on his way home. merrill newman flew from pyongyang to beijing on saturday. the north koreans accused-i'm committing hostile acts during the korean war. >>> and federal regulators are calling for major changes following last sunday's deadly derailment in new york city. the railroad will be required to have two people operating rains that ride on potentially dangerous routes. four people were killed in the derailment. dozens of others were injured. >>> and bob dylan's electric guitar, the one that made rock history 50 years ago, it is once again in the record books. the sunburst fender stratocaster sold for $950,000. it marked dylan's move from acusten folk music to electric rock 'n' roll. anyone can name the first son
for that, as always, mr. ron claiborne. >> in the news, dignitaries around the world will be arriving in south africa next week for a memorial service on tuesday for nelson mandela. a private burial in qunu is set up for next sunday. >>> and the 85-year-old veteran in north korea for a month, is on his way home. merrill newman flew from pyongyang to beijing on saturday. the north koreans accused-i'm committing hostile acts during the korean war. >>> and federal...
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mr. mandela would not talk to fox news. he wanted and -- well, when i say wanted, he's due to appear in court. he's been taken to court by other members of the family because he illegally dug up members of the family who have deceased and moved them illegally to other xwraifgraves. but he is the person, he is incredibly important to nelson mandela's clan. he's the tribal leader, the chief of the clan, and nelson mandela himself chose him to be his successor in the clan. he was coming here along with other members of the family for a prayer session. i'm just going to ask our cameraman to just ensure i'm going to walk out of shot here so you can see the scene behind me here better. we've been hearing a prayer session here for the just about the last hour with the people of south africa and just the ordinary people of south africa coming here. the scene here is emotional and it is really quite something different even for south africa. >> thank you so much for that update from south africa. of course, we're going to follow the
mr. mandela would not talk to fox news. he wanted and -- well, when i say wanted, he's due to appear in court. he's been taken to court by other members of the family because he illegally dug up members of the family who have deceased and moved them illegally to other xwraifgraves. but he is the person, he is incredibly important to nelson mandela's clan. he's the tribal leader, the chief of the clan, and nelson mandela himself chose him to be his successor in the clan. he was coming here along...
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mr. mandela's body is being prepared now for his lying in state. that will happen late they are week. on tuesday, there will be an official memorial service, then there will be a state funeral on sunday in the village where he grew up. >>> number four, mexican police have recovered stolen radioactive material and are grilling six men who may be connected to the theft. the men tested negative for any poisoning from that material. they're now in police custody. mexican authorities say they've recovered all of the lost cobalt-60 material, but they've been tight-lipped about whether they've made any arrests in the broader case. >>> services will be held today in hawaii to mark the 72nd anniversary of the japanese attack on pearl harbor. lots of veterans and survivors are angry that the traditional missing-man flyover, you saw one there, has been cancelled this year. because of military budget constraints. >>> blockbuster jobs report for november. >> yeah. >> and it could not have come at a better time really for president obama. he's not had a lot of g
mr. mandela's body is being prepared now for his lying in state. that will happen late they are week. on tuesday, there will be an official memorial service, then there will be a state funeral on sunday in the village where he grew up. >>> number four, mexican police have recovered stolen radioactive material and are grilling six men who may be connected to the theft. the men tested negative for any poisoning from that material. they're now in police custody. mexican authorities say...
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when mr. clinton got caught up in scandal mandela visiting the white house stood by him saying our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. recently we asked mr. clinton about their special bond. >> you met with nelson mandela more than any president. and i wonder what was your relationship in those days? >> well, we became good friends. i met him, ironically in 1992 i met him at the democratic convention in new york when i was being nominated for president. we had business to do. they were one of the countries that voluntarily gave up their nuclear arsenal. and in the process of that we became good personal friends. we used to do business together on the phone where their time difference was so great i would take the call at night. and it wasn't too late mandela would make me go get chelsea every time he called and he would talk to her and ask her if she was doing her homework. he was an enormous help to me during every difficult time i had as president. and he did it all, interestin
when mr. clinton got caught up in scandal mandela visiting the white house stood by him saying our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. recently we asked mr. clinton about their special bond. >> you met with nelson mandela more than any president. and i wonder what was your relationship in those days? >> well, we became good friends. i met him, ironically in 1992 i met him at the democratic convention in new york when i was being nominated for president. we had business...
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with his plan to name a black ambassador now on hold, mr. reagan was left proposing ref m reforms south africa, a timetable for end ago part hide, release of political prisoners including mandela and discussions with black groups including the african national congress. the president stressed all south africans must work out their future together. >> as one african remarked recently, southern africa is like a zebra. if the white parts are injured, the black parts will die, too. >> and reagan did have some allies in congress. >> by intruding into the affairs of the south african government, we are shooting the farmers of america in the foot. and i will have no part of it. >> in the end, for all of ronald reagan's charisma and persuasive ability, for all his sway over congressional republicans, both houses of congress voted to impose the sanctions. and even after reagan vetoed the measure, both the house and senate went back and voted to override his veto. and it wasn't just the usual suspects fighting reagan. the senate was controlled at the
with his plan to name a black ambassador now on hold, mr. reagan was left proposing ref m reforms south africa, a timetable for end ago part hide, release of political prisoners including mandela and discussions with black groups including the african national congress. the president stressed all south africans must work out their future together. >> as one african remarked recently, southern africa is like a zebra. if the white parts are injured, the black parts will die, too. >>...